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As discussed before, we are planning to release the Glorious Fist as an additional weapon for Sura Enthusiasts.

 

GLORIOUS FIST [1] (GFist) - 85% increase damage to demi-human ; Slaughter Level 1 ; 140 Attack

 

VELLUM CLAW [1] (VClaw) - +10 = 75% increase damage to demi-human ; if refined to +14 and above = 95% Increase damage to demi-human ; 160 Attack

 

I just finished testing the item last night, together with * Admin * and Jamessanityyy.

 

We compared +16 GFist and +16 VClaw. Based from the test results, +16 VClaw is still better but the damage difference is only around 1k - 3k.

 

The tentative price of Glorious Fist at the POD NPC will be 55 pods.

 

As you can see, GFist will be costly than VClaw but it can be traded, unlike VClaw.

 

Now, please post your comments here so we can finalize the release date.



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+1 po dito kasi tradable naman unlike vclaw.



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Ano po difference nito sa glorious Claw?

wala po pla tyo ng Glorious two handed axe?


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So it means that there's a possibility that Gfist will have more damage if it will be refined beyond 16..

+1 /heh

oo kasi wlang slaughter ung vclaw  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh  /heh


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Ano po difference nito sa glorious Claw?

wala po pla tyo ng Glorious two handed axe?

 

If I'm not wrong ung bonus nila na auto casting some skills sila nag kakaiba.

Wala pa yata tayo nung glorious Claw. (please correct me if na missed ko lang sya)

Baka pwede na rin isabay and Claw sa release ng Fist since same lang naman sila, nag kakatalo lang sa bonus:

 

Claw

 

Add a chance of auto casting Level 1 Occult Impact when dealing physical damage.

Add a chance of auto casting Level 1 Decrease Agility when dealing physical damage.

 

Fist

 

When casting the skill [Fury], there's a chance that the skills [Dangerous Soul Collect] and [Guillotine Fist] will temporarily have their cast time removed.


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Ano po difference nito sa glorious Claw?

wala po pla tyo ng Glorious two handed axe?

 

If I'm not wrong ung bonus nila na auto casting some skills sila nag kakaiba.

Wala pa yata tayo nung glorious Claw. (please correct me if na missed ko lang sya)

Baka pwede na rin isabay and Claw sa release ng Fist since same lang naman sila, nag kakatalo lang sa bonus:

 

Claw

 

Add a chance of auto casting Level 1 Occult Impact when dealing physical damage.

Add a chance of auto casting Level 1 Decrease Agility when dealing physical damage.

 

Fist

 

When casting the skill [Fury], there's a chance that the skills [Dangerous Soul Collect] and [Guillotine Fist] will temporarily have their cast time removed.

 

wala nga rin ung glorious claw kaya natanong ko if ano difference nya kc nkita ko un and almost same at ung autocast skill lng nagkatalo

ung glorious two hand axe kaya?

may glorious claymore tayo pero itong two hand axe wala

baka pwede rin ma consider thanks.


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Anong skills ang ginamit at anong suot ng target dummy? Masyadong imba yan kung slotted at no cast asura strike. And also paki test yung diff ng +17 and +18. Siguradong napaka laking damage difference yan dahil may slaughter effect ang glorious. Sana yung tests nyo ay naka open sa public tulad ng ibang tests na ginagawa dito sa forums. /no1


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Anong skills ang ginamit at anong suot ng target dummy? Masyadong imba yan kung slotted at no cast asura strike. And also paki test yung diff ng +17 and +18. Siguradong napaka laking damage difference yan dahil may slaughter effect ang glorious. Sana yung tests nyo ay naka open sa public tulad ng ibang tests na ginagawa dito sa forums. /no1

BAKA Dragon combo lng pamatay na!..wahaha

Tska yung Asura po maxado Malakas.. Better to put Drake card sa Gfist kesa Tg kasi 20% lng TG unlike if with drake card that nullifies size penalty lalakas pa ng another 5% same applies to TC I guess..Paki Test naman if with Drake Card.Kasi 25% penalty ng Claw or knuckle sa medium size.

Weapon Type Small Medium Large Bare Fist 100 100 100 Dagger 100 75 50 One-handed Sword 75 100 75 Two-handed Sword 75 75 100 One-handed Spear 75 75 100 Two-handed Spear 75 75 100 One-handed Axe 50 75 100 Two-handed Axe 50 75 100 Mace 75 100 100 Staff 100 100 100 Bow 100 100 75 Claw / Knuckle 100 75 50 Musical Instrument 75 100 75 Whip 75 100 50 Book 100 100 50 Katar 75 100 75 Revolver 100 100 100 Rifle 100 100 100 Shotgun 100 100 100 Gatling Gun 100 100 100 Grenade Launcher 100 100 100 Fuuma Shuriken 100 100
 

 

Given the Data.

-1 po..sa G.Fist.


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Anong skills ang ginamit at anong suot ng target dummy? Masyadong imba yan kung slotted at no cast asura strike. And also paki test yung diff ng +17 and +18. Siguradong napaka laking damage difference yan dahil may slaughter effect ang glorious. Sana yung tests nyo ay naka open sa public tulad ng ibang tests na ginagawa dito sa forums. /no1

Combo ng Tiger Cannon, Asura Strike, GOH ang mga na test na skills. Fully equipped yung RG na ginawang punching bag



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 Anong skills ang ginamit at anong suot ng target dummy? Masyadong imba yan kung slotted at no cast asura strike. And also paki test yung diff ng +17 and +18. Siguradong napaka laking damage difference yan dahil may slaughter effect ang glorious. Sana yung tests nyo ay naka open sa public tulad ng ibang tests na ginagawa dito sa forums. /no1

 

Agree po ako dito.  /no1

Baka isang GOH na lang kami pag naka drain hp nung sura. paki test po ang +17 and +18   /swt3  /flag


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BAKA Dragon combo lng pamatay na!..wahaha

Tska yung Asura po maxado Malakas.. Better to put Drake card sa Gfist kesa Tg kasi 20% lng TG unlike if with drake card that nullifies size penalty lalakas pa ng another 5% same applies to TC I guess..Paki Test naman if with Drake Card.Kasi 25% penalty ng Claw or knuckle sa medium size.

Weapon Type Small Medium Large Bare Fist 100 100 100 Dagger 100 75 50 One-handed Sword 75 100 75 Two-handed Sword 75 75 100 One-handed Spear 75 75 100 Two-handed Spear 75 75 100 One-handed Axe 50 75 100 Two-handed Axe 50 75 100 Mace 75 100 100 Staff 100 100 100 Bow 100 100 75 Claw / Knuckle 100 75 50 Musical Instrument 75 100 75 Whip 75 100 50 Book 100 100 50 Katar 75 100 75 Revolver 100 100 100 Rifle 100 100 100 Shotgun 100 100 100 Gatling Gun 100 100 100 Grenade Launcher 100 100 100 Fuuma Shuriken 100 100
 

 

Given the Data.

-1 po..sa G.Fist.

 

 

Ang hirap basahin >.<

 

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The question is, does it matter? Vellum Claw and Glorious Fist are on same weapon class.

 

 

The only concern here is the > +17 refine damage.

Let me try to answer:

 

+16 is {(16) - 4} * {(16) - 4} = 144% Demi Human

+17 is {(17) - 4} * {(17) - 4} = 169% Demi Human (25% increase from +16)

+18 is {(18) - 4} * {(18) - 4} = 196% Demi Human (27% increase from +17)

+19 is {(19) - 4} * {(19) - 4} = 225% Demi Human (29% increase from +18)

+20 is {(20) - 4} * {(20) - 4} = 256% Demi Human (31% increase from +19)

 

The beauty of glorious weapon. Hard to argue with this.


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Anong skills ang ginamit at anong suot ng target dummy? Masyadong imba yan kung slotted at no cast asura strike. And also paki test yung diff ng +17 and +18. Siguradong napaka laking damage difference yan dahil may slaughter effect ang glorious. Sana yung tests nyo ay naka open sa public tulad ng ibang tests na ginagawa dito sa forums. /no1

Combo ng Tiger Cannon, Asura Strike, GOH ang mga na test na skills. Fully equipped yung RG na ginawang punching bag

 

 

What items in specific?



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For balance purposes (of course) - auto-cast zen/EF was removed for Gfist. All others are intact and slightly revamped. This current setup of Gfist is by far the most balanced we could get. Anymore additions/adjustments will render it imbalanced for the given job.

 

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Anong skills ang ginamit at anong suot ng target dummy? Masyadong imba yan kung slotted at no cast asura strike. And also paki test yung diff ng +17 and +18. Siguradong napaka laking damage difference yan dahil may slaughter effect ang glorious. Sana yung tests nyo ay naka open sa public tulad ng ibang tests na ginagawa dito sa forums. /no1

BAKA Dragon combo lng pamatay na!..wahaha

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Weapon Type Small Medium Large Bare Fist 100 100 100 Dagger 100 75 50 One-handed Sword 75 100 75 Two-handed Sword 75 75 100 One-handed Spear 75 75 100 Two-handed Spear 75 75 100 One-handed Axe 50 75 100 Two-handed Axe 50 75 100 Mace 75 100 100 Staff 100 100 100 Bow 100 100 75 Claw / Knuckle 100 75 50 Musical Instrument 75 100 75 Whip 75 100 50 Book 100 100 50 Katar 75 100 75 Revolver 100 100 100 Rifle 100 100 100 Shotgun 100 100 100 Gatling Gun 100 100 100 Grenade Launcher 100 100 100 Fuuma Shuriken 100 100
 

 

Given the Data.

-1 po..sa G.Fist.

 

 

Or party with a Mech and have Weapon Perfection.



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Well pag usapan if irerelease or not.

 

Though we can re-test, sa mga gusto mag test nito.



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Well pag usapan if irerelease or not.

 

Though we can re-test, sa mga gusto mag test nito.

 

As a Sura connoisseur, Gusto ko po sana i-test.


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Well pag usapan if irerelease or not.

 

Though we can re-test, sa mga gusto mag test nito.

 

As a Sura connoisseur, Gusto ko po sana i-test.

 

 

Pm me now in game I can give you 30 mins to test.



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I've conducted tests with +17 gfist vs. +14 vclaw. 

 

Equips ko po is

 

+10 RBH, Moi, Spd, Tidung, Sleipner, Proxy, 2ve

 

Equips ng dummy is

 

+16Dip, +16Sigrun's, Srose, D.robe, CSD, Aesprika, Sleipner, 2ER

 

So eto po ung result. Ginawa ko is 2tries per skill sets. [first try],[second try] 

 

+14 vclaw (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,1k],[2,1k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [6,4k],[6,4k] (Shadow element)
Tiger Cannon [116k],[118k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [8,9k * 7],[8,9k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [6,3k * 7],[6,3k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (Half hp) [12k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full hp) [11k * 7 (neutral)
 
 
Asura Strike [150k],[149k] (neutral)
 
+17 gfist (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,4k],[2,6k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [7,lk],[7,1k] (Shadow element)
Dragon Combo [132k],[133k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [9,5k * 7],[9,6k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [7,4k * 7],[7,4k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (half) [14k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full) [12k * 7] (neutral)
 
Asura strike [218k],[219k]
 
 
So after conducting tests, Ang conclusion ko is. Napapalakas nya ang sura, Pero not that "Imba" tingnan nyo, +17 na yan ha? Di biro abutin yun sa pag uups, at  Malayo na sa 14 yun (talking about vclaw), Pero tingnan nyo ung damage difference, d ganun kalakihan.  I mean siguro eto na ang way para makalaban ang sura para sa mga sobrang kukunat na jobs, like Rk, Rg, Sorc atpb.
 
Bago ako mag conduct ng test, nasa isip ko na talaga na bigyan ng cap ung  Slaughter na up to 16. Pero wala, Mali yun. Mas okay talaga if tuloy tuloy ang slaughter, Gives fair power. 
 
So bottom line, +1 ako. One good step to para Sura Enthusiast.
 
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I've conducted tests with +17 gfist vs. +14 vclaw. 

 

Equips ko po is

 

+10 RBH, Moi, Spd, Tidung, Sleipner, Proxy, 2ve

 

Equips ng dummy is

 

+16Dip, +16Sigrun's, Srose, D.robe, CSD, Aesprika, Sleipner, 2ER

 

So eto po ung result. Ginawa ko is 2tries per skill sets. [first try],[second try] 

 

+14 vclaw (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,1k],[2,1k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [6,4k],[6,4k] (Shadow element)
Tiger Cannon [116k],[118k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [8,9k * 7],[8,9k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [6,3k * 7],[6,3k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (Half hp) [12k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full hp) [11k * 7 (neutral)
 
 
Asura Strike [150k],[149k] (neutral)
 
+17 gfist (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,4k],[2,6k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [7,lk],[7,1k] (Shadow element)
Dragon Combo [132k],[133k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [9,5k * 7],[9,6k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [7,4k * 7],[7,4k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (half) [14k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full) [12k * 7] (neutral)
 
Asura strike [218k]
 
 
Dummy equips
 
+16 Dip
+16 Sigrun's
Scarlet Rose
D.Robe
Mjolnir
CSD
Aesprika
Sleipner
2Er
 
So after conducting tests, Ang conclusion ko is. Napapalakas nya ang sura, Pero not that "Imba" tingnan nyo, +17 na yan ha? Di biro abutin yun sa pag uups, at  Malayo na sa 14 yun (talking about vclaw), Pero tingnan nyo ung damage difference, d ganun kalakihan.  I mean siguro eto na ang way para makalaban ang sura para sa mga sobrang kukunat na jobs, like Rk, Rg, Sorc atpb.
 
Bago ako mag conduct ng test, nasa isip ko na talaga na bigyan ng cap ung  Slaughter na up to 16. Pero wala, Mali yun. Mas okay talaga if tuloy tuloy ang slaughter, Gives fair power. 
 
So bottom line, +1 ako. One good step to para Sura Enthusiast.
 
If may questions po, Feel free lang po to ask.   /flag
 
@admin, Salamat sa tiwala at Pag singit neto sa time mo kahit super busy ka. Much-appreciated po  /swt3

 

 

 

Then good, ok din sayo ang release nito.



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I've conducted tests with +17 gfist vs. +14 vclaw. 

 

Equips ko po is

 

+10 RBH, Moi, Spd, Tidung, Sleipner, Proxy, 2ve

 

Equips ng dummy is

 

+16Dip, +16Sigrun's, Srose, D.robe, CSD, Aesprika, Sleipner, 2ER

 

So eto po ung result. Ginawa ko is 2tries per skill sets. [first try],[second try] 

 

+14 vclaw (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,1k],[2,1k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [6,4k],[6,4k] (Shadow element)
Tiger Cannon [116k],[118k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [8,9k * 7],[8,9k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [6,3k * 7],[6,3k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (Half hp) [12k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full hp) [11k * 7 (neutral)
 
 
Asura Strike [150k],[149k] (neutral)
 
+17 gfist (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,4k],[2,6k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [7,lk],[7,1k] (Shadow element)
Dragon Combo [132k],[133k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [9,5k * 7],[9,6k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [7,4k * 7],[7,4k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (half) [14k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full) [12k * 7] (neutral)
 
Asura strike [218k]
 
 
Dummy equips
 
+16 Dip
+16 Sigrun's
Scarlet Rose
D.Robe
Mjolnir
CSD
Aesprika
Sleipner
2Er
 
So after conducting tests, Ang conclusion ko is. Napapalakas nya ang sura, Pero not that "Imba" tingnan nyo, +17 na yan ha? Di biro abutin yun sa pag uups, at  Malayo na sa 14 yun (talking about vclaw), Pero tingnan nyo ung damage difference, d ganun kalakihan.  I mean siguro eto na ang way para makalaban ang sura para sa mga sobrang kukunat na jobs, like Rk, Rg, Sorc atpb.
 
Bago ako mag conduct ng test, nasa isip ko na talaga na bigyan ng cap ung  Slaughter na up to 16. Pero wala, Mali yun. Mas okay talaga if tuloy tuloy ang slaughter, Gives fair power. 
 
So bottom line, +1 ako. One good step to para Sura Enthusiast.
 
If may questions po, Feel free lang po to ask.   /flag
 
@admin, Salamat sa tiwala at Pag singit neto sa time mo kahit super busy ka. Much-appreciated po  /swt3

 

 

 

Then good, ok din sayo ang release nito.

 

 

 

At first po may doubt talaga ako dito, na ma iinvade din ang job na sura, Na imbis na pagalingan sa galawan, ehh naging pataasan na ng UPS ng weapon. Pero after the tests, Masasabi ko po na hindi naman mangyayare yun. Pure skills and talent pa din talaga pag dating sa sura, Equips are just condiments sa pag susura. Talent talaga ang puhunan dito.

 

But ayun, based sa result. Ayos sya i-release (for me)


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