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Ay linawin ko lang ha, Na typo ako. Dun sa gfist part. Antok nako nyan e hahaha

 

+17 gfist (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,4k],[2,6k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [7,lk],[7,1k] (Shadow element)
Tiger Cannon** [132k],[133k] (Shadow element)

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I've conducted tests with +17 gfist vs. +14 vclaw. 

 

Equips ko po is

 

+10 RBH, Moi, Spd, Tidung, Sleipner, Proxy, 2ve

 

Equips ng dummy is

 

+16Dip, +16Sigrun's, Srose, D.robe, CSD, Aesprika, Sleipner, 2ER

 

So eto po ung result. Ginawa ko is 2tries per skill sets. [first try],[second try] 

 

+14 vclaw (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,1k],[2,1k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [6,4k],[6,4k] (Shadow element)
Tiger Cannon [116k],[118k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [8,9k * 7],[8,9k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [6,3k * 7],[6,3k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (Half hp) [12k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full hp) [11k * 7 (neutral)
 
 
Asura Strike [150k],[149k] (neutral)
 
+17 gfist (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,4k],[2,6k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [7,lk],[7,1k] (Shadow element)
Dragon Combo [132k],[133k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [9,5k * 7],[9,6k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [7,4k * 7],[7,4k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (half) [14k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full) [12k * 7] (neutral)
 
Asura strike [218k]
 
 
Dummy equips
 
+16 Dip
+16 Sigrun's
Scarlet Rose
D.Robe
Mjolnir
CSD
Aesprika
Sleipner
2Er
 
So after conducting tests, Ang conclusion ko is. Napapalakas nya ang sura, Pero not that "Imba" tingnan nyo, +17 na yan ha? Di biro abutin yun sa pag uups, at  Malayo na sa 14 yun (talking about vclaw), Pero tingnan nyo ung damage difference, d ganun kalakihan.  I mean siguro eto na ang way para makalaban ang sura para sa mga sobrang kukunat na jobs, like Rk, Rg, Sorc atpb.
 
Bago ako mag conduct ng test, nasa isip ko na talaga na bigyan ng cap ung  Slaughter na up to 16. Pero wala, Mali yun. Mas okay talaga if tuloy tuloy ang slaughter, Gives fair power. 
 
So bottom line, +1 ako. One good step to para Sura Enthusiast.
 
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Then good, ok din sayo ang release nito.

 

 

 

At first po may doubt talaga ako dito, na ma iinvade din ang job na sura, Na imbis na pagalingan sa galawan, ehh naging pataasan na ng UPS ng weapon. Pero after the tests, Masasabi ko po na hindi naman mangyayare yun. Pure skills and talent pa din talaga pag dating sa sura, Equips are just condiments sa pag susura. Talent talaga ang puhunan dito.

 

But ayun, based sa result. Ayos sya i-release (for me)

 

 

Then good. /no1



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I've conducted tests with +17 gfist vs. +14 vclaw. 

 

Equips ko po is

 

+10 RBH, Moi, Spd, Tidung, Sleipner, Proxy, 2ve

 

Equips ng dummy is

 

+16Dip, +16Sigrun's, Srose, D.robe, CSD, Aesprika, Sleipner, 2ER

 

So eto po ung result. Ginawa ko is 2tries per skill sets. [first try],[second try] 

 

+14 vclaw (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,1k],[2,1k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [6,4k],[6,4k] (Shadow element)
Tiger Cannon [116k],[118k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [8,9k * 7],[8,9k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [6,3k * 7],[6,3k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (Half hp) [12k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full hp) [11k * 7 (neutral)
 
 
Asura Strike [150k],[149k] (neutral)
 
+17 gfist (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,4k],[2,6k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [7,lk],[7,1k] (Shadow element)
Dragon Combo [132k],[133k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [9,5k * 7],[9,6k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [7,4k * 7],[7,4k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (half) [14k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full) [12k * 7] (neutral)
 
Asura strike [218k],[219k]
 
 
So after conducting tests, Ang conclusion ko is. Napapalakas nya ang sura, Pero not that "Imba" tingnan nyo, +17 na yan ha? Di biro abutin yun sa pag uups, at  Malayo na sa 14 yun (talking about vclaw), Pero tingnan nyo ung damage difference, d ganun kalakihan.  I mean siguro eto na ang way para makalaban ang sura para sa mga sobrang kukunat na jobs, like Rk, Rg, Sorc atpb.
 
Bago ako mag conduct ng test, nasa isip ko na talaga na bigyan ng cap ung  Slaughter na up to 16. Pero wala, Mali yun. Mas okay talaga if tuloy tuloy ang slaughter, Gives fair power. 
 
So bottom line, +1 ako. One good step to para Sura Enthusiast.
 
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Oh common! IMBA ang laki ng difference! Shadow property pa ang ginamit dyan sa tests ah. Tapos +17 g.fist lang ang ginamit. What more kung +18 and +19 pa yan. Tapos hindi pa sagad sa attack equips ang suot mo, wala kang overups RBH at SDH.

 

Based on your tests:

Tiger Cannon damage difference = 133k - 118k = 15k difference.

Asura strike damage difference = 219k - 150k = 69k difference.

 

Saan kami huhugot ng 15k & 69k hp para masalo yan? Double tao gunkka card na ata ang kailangan dyan. /swt

 

Low-end attack equips pa lang ang gamit ganyan na ang difference. What more kung naka High-end equips pa. /swt

 

Itigil na po natin itong suggestion na ito. Currently, +14v.claw pa nga lang ang lakas lakas na, wala na makasalo. Tapos gusto nyo pa ng mas malakas /swt



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dapat kasi ung test ay +17 gfist against +17vclaw kasi may bonus atk ung over ups,

ung taas +14 vclaw lang kaya tuloy nag mumukhang sobra laki ng difference

pa retest nalang po.


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I've conducted tests with +17 gfist vs. +14 vclaw. 

 

Equips ko po is

 

+10 RBH, Moi, Spd, Tidung, Sleipner, Proxy, 2ve

 

Equips ng dummy is

 

+16Dip, +16Sigrun's, Srose, D.robe, CSD, Aesprika, Sleipner, 2ER

 

So eto po ung result. Ginawa ko is 2tries per skill sets. [first try],[second try] 

 

+14 vclaw (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,1k],[2,1k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [6,4k],[6,4k] (Shadow element)
Tiger Cannon [116k],[118k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [8,9k * 7],[8,9k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [6,3k * 7],[6,3k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (Half hp) [12k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full hp) [11k * 7 (neutral)
 
 
Asura Strike [150k],[149k] (neutral)
 
+17 gfist (inca)
 
Dragon combo [2,4k],[2,6k] (Shadow element)
Fallen Empire [7,lk],[7,1k] (Shadow element)
Dragon Combo [132k],[133k] (Shadow element)
 
half hp goh [9,5k * 7],[9,6k * 7] (neutral)
full hp goh [7,4k * 7],[7,4k * 7] (neutral)
 
dc + fe + goh = (half) [14k * 7] (neutral)
dc + fe + goh = (full) [12k * 7] (neutral)
 
Asura strike [218k],[219k]
 
 
So after conducting tests, Ang conclusion ko is. Napapalakas nya ang sura, Pero not that "Imba" tingnan nyo, +17 na yan ha? Di biro abutin yun sa pag uups, at  Malayo na sa 14 yun (talking about vclaw), Pero tingnan nyo ung damage difference, d ganun kalakihan.  I mean siguro eto na ang way para makalaban ang sura para sa mga sobrang kukunat na jobs, like Rk, Rg, Sorc atpb.
 
Bago ako mag conduct ng test, nasa isip ko na talaga na bigyan ng cap ung  Slaughter na up to 16. Pero wala, Mali yun. Mas okay talaga if tuloy tuloy ang slaughter, Gives fair power. 
 
So bottom line, +1 ako. One good step to para Sura Enthusiast.
 
If may questions po, Feel free lang po to ask.   /flag
 
@admin, Salamat sa tiwala at Pag singit neto sa time mo kahit super busy ka. Much-appreciated po  /swt3

 

 

Oh common! IMBA ang laki ng difference! Shadow property pa ang ginamit dyan sa tests ah. Tapos +17 g.fist lang ang ginamit. What more kung +18 and +19 pa yan. Tapos hindi pa sagad sa attack equips ang suot mo, wala kang overups RBH at SDH.

 

Based on your tests:

Tiger Cannon damage difference = 133k - 118k = 15k difference.

Asura strike damage difference = 219k - 150k = 69k difference.

 

Saan kami huhugot ng 15k & 69k hp para masalo yan? Double tao gunkka card na ata ang kailangan dyan. /swt

 

Low-end attack equips pa lang ang gamit ganyan na ang difference. What more kung naka High-end equips pa. /swt

 

Itigil na po natin itong suggestion na ito. Currently, +14v.claw pa nga lang ang lakas lakas na, wala na makasalo. Tapos gusto nyo pa ng mas malakas /swt

 

 

Hmm... siguro ang sasalo dito ay yung -30% damage from all elements na binabalak para sa Aesprika sa isang topic.

 

http://myroforums.co...-defence/page-5
 

What do you think?
 


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dapat kasi ung test ay +17 gfist against +17vclaw kasi may bonus atk ung over ups,

ung taas +14 vclaw lang kaya tuloy nag mumukhang sobra laki ng difference

pa retest nalang po.

 

You can test it let me know papahiramin kita. Pm me.



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dapat kasi ung test ay +17 gfist against +17vclaw kasi may bonus atk ung over ups,

ung taas +14 vclaw lang kaya tuloy nag mumukhang sobra laki ng difference

pa retest nalang po.

 

+14vclaw and +17vclaw don't have much difference. 

 

Slaughter effect talaga ang nagpapalakas sa mga glorious items. Lalo na kapag +18~20 sobrang laki ng increase sa damage nun.


Edited by Bismarck, 11 September 2017 - 08:12 PM.


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/heh

 

dapat kasi ung test ay +17 gfist against +17vclaw kasi may bonus atk ung over ups,

ung taas +14 vclaw lang kaya tuloy nag mumukhang sobra laki ng difference

pa retest nalang po.

 

+14vclaw and +17vclaw don't have much difference. 

 

Slaughter effect talaga ang nagpapalakas sa mga glorious items. Lalo na kapag +18~20 sobrang laki ng increase sa damage nun.

 

 

Then let's test it para wala nang speculations.



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Sorry kung nadismya kayo sa result, at sa verdict ko. Limited lang kasi ung resource ko, At i tried to ask admin for +17 and +18 gfist. But, medyo busy ata sya. So nag go na lang kami for +17. 

 

Para matapos ung speculations, mas maganda if kayong may mga high end equips ang mag test. Para makita yung full potential ng item, if Imba nga ba pag overups.

 

 

Incase, walang gusto mag test, kesyo busy or walang mga time. Ako na lang po mag e-effort para ma push yung re-test, Basta sana madamitan lang ako ng mga sinasabi nilang equips na maaraming maging "imba" ang overups gfist.


Edited by chefchad, 11 September 2017 - 11:06 PM.

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Sorry kung nadismya kayo sa result, at sa verdict ko. Limited lang kasi ung resource ko, At i tried to ask admin for +17 and +18 gfist. But, medyo busy ata sya. So nag go na lang kami for +17. 

 

Para matapos ung speculations, mas maganda if kayong may mga high end equips ang mag test. Para makita yung full potential ng item, if Imba nga ba pag overups.

 

 

Ask me again.



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Sorry kung nadismya kayo sa result, at sa verdict ko. Limited lang kasi ung resource ko, At i tried to ask admin for +17 and +18 gfist. But, medyo busy ata sya. So nag go na lang kami for +17. 

 

Para matapos ung speculations, mas maganda if kayong may mga high end equips ang mag test. Para makita yung full potential ng item, if Imba nga ba pag overups.

 

 

Ask me again.

 

 

Ano po yun admin? Inedit ko po ung post ko. Sorry po


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Sorry kung nadismya kayo sa result, at sa verdict ko. Limited lang kasi ung resource ko, At i tried to ask admin for +17 and +18 gfist. But, medyo busy ata sya. So nag go na lang kami for +17. 

 

Para matapos ung speculations, mas maganda if kayong may mga high end equips ang mag test. Para makita yung full potential ng item, if Imba nga ba pag overups.

 

 

Incase, walang gusto mag test, kesyo busy or walang mga time. Ako na lang po mag e-effort para ma push yung re-test, Basta sana madamitan lang ako ng mga sinasabi nilang equips na maaraming maging "imba" ang overups gfist.

 

 

Retest, pm me.



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Sorry kung nadismya kayo sa result, at sa verdict ko. Limited lang kasi ung resource ko, At i tried to ask admin for +17 and +18 gfist. But, medyo busy ata sya. So nag go na lang kami for +17. 

 

Para matapos ung speculations, mas maganda if kayong may mga high end equips ang mag test. Para makita yung full potential ng item, if Imba nga ba pag overups.

 

 

Incase, walang gusto mag test, kesyo busy or walang mga time. Ako na lang po mag e-effort para ma push yung re-test, Basta sana madamitan lang ako ng mga sinasabi nilang equips na maaraming maging "imba" ang overups gfist.

 

 

Retest, pm me.

 

 

Pm Sent po


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Re-test (Lahat ng element ginamit is Neutral)

 

Attackers Equips

+15 Rbh

Moi

Spd

Drobe

Sleipner

+14Backpack

2VE

 

Receiver's Equips

+16 Dip

+16 Sigrun's Wings

Srose

Tidung / Tunic (tunic was used in asura only)

Immune shield

Shoes of Affection

Aesprika / Silf with devi (Silf with devi was used in asura only)

2 ER

 

 

+18 GFIST (THANA)

 
DRAGON COMBO [2,8k] [2,9k]
FALLEN EMPIRE [11,9K] [12K]
TIGER CANNON [138K] [140K]
 
DC + FE + GOH = [14.8K * 7],[15K * 7] (HALF-LIFE)
DC + FE + GOH = [12K * 7], [12,9K * 7] (FULL LIFE)
 
ASURA STRIKE = [8K],[9,1k] (+16 dip, tunic, srose, devi, silf, immune shield) = total of 95% neutral resist and 2% 
 
resist melee atk and 12% resist to demihuman
 
ASURA STRIKE = [231K] , [231K] (+16Dip, +16 Sigs, Srose, Tidung, Soa, Immune shield, Aesprika, 2ER)
 
 
+18 VCLAW (THANA)
 
DRAGON COMBO [2,7K], [2,6K]
FALLEN EMPIRE [10K], [10,4K]
TIGER CANNON [123K], [126K]
 
DC + FE + GOH = [14K * 7 ], [13,8K * 7] (HALF-LIFE)
DC + FE + GOH = [11K * 7 ], [12K * 7] (FULL LIFE)
 
ASURA STRIKE = [7,9k][7,9k] (+16 dip, tunic, srose, devi, silf, immune shield = total of (95% neutral resist and 2% 
 
resist melee atk and 12% resist to demihuman)
 
ASURA STRIKE = [176K], [176K]   (+16Dip, +16 Sigs, Srose, Tidung, Soa, Immune shield, Aesprika, 2ER)
 
 
 
 
So ayan po yung result. Para sakin po, Hindi nag bago ang pasya ko. Good sya to be released, Kasi compare mo sa ibang weapon na glorious with the same +. That damage result is much lesser.

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Sobrang imba. Kung ganyan ang damage difference no need na mag 2Val.Emblem kapag naka G.Fist pwedeng pwede na mag 2ER lang dahil sobrang lakas na ng damage ng G.fist. Kawawa lahat sa spam GOH and TC combo nyan.

 

Ang lakas lakas na ng sura ngayon with V.claw gusto nyo pa mas lalong palakasin. /swt



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Sobrang imba. Kung ganyan ang damage difference no need na mag 2Val.Emblem kapag naka G.Fist pwedeng pwede na mag 2ER lang dahil sobrang lakas na ng damage ng G.fist. Kawawa lahat sa spam GOH and TC combo nyan.

 

Ang lakas lakas na ng sura ngayon with V.claw gusto nyo pa mas lalong palakasin. /swt

 

Ang atri ng g-fist satin ay ito:

1827,Krieger_Knuckle2,Glorious Fist,5,20,,0,140,,1,1,0x00008100,63,2,2,4,80,1,12,{ bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,85; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,85; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,20; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,20; bonus bUnbreakableWeapon,0; if(getrefine() > 10) { bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,5; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,5; } },{},{}
 

So

+85% to demi.

20% ignore def

Slaughter is (refine - 11) * (refine - 11)

Additonal 5% ignore def above +10

 

Wala nito ha:
Removes variable and fixed cast time of Asura Strike (Guillotine Fist).
When using Explosion Spirits (Fury), there is a chance to autocasting Level 1 Dangerous Soul Collect (Zen).

(removed satin ang effect na ito)

 

 

Imba ba? Sakin parang almost same effect lang sa Vclaw eh.



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Sobrang imba. Kung ganyan ang damage difference no need na mag 2Val.Emblem kapag naka G.Fist pwedeng pwede na mag 2ER lang dahil sobrang lakas na ng damage ng G.fist. Kawawa lahat sa spam GOH and TC combo nyan.

 

Ang lakas lakas na ng sura ngayon with V.claw gusto nyo pa mas lalong palakasin. /swt

 

 

If i reremove ung VE, Mag aadjust po ang stats. Mababawasan ng atk spd, at mababawasan ng dex at int. So mag aadjust po talaga ang stats, Tendency po is, Hihina ang damage. Lahat po ng build ay may pros and cons, Maachieve mo yang ganyan ka taas na damage, Pero look. Open na open ka. Mapapatay mo kalaban mo, At syempre kaya ka din patayin ng kalaban mo. 

 

Pero di natin maitatanggi na mataas nga talaga damage ng +18 Gfist, Wala eh. +18. Natural po siguro yun sa mga +18. Kasi di naman biro maabot yon.


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-1 

 

Sobrang imba. Kung ganyan ang damage difference no need na mag 2Val.Emblem kapag naka G.Fist pwedeng pwede na mag 2ER lang dahil sobrang lakas na ng damage ng G.fist. Kawawa lahat sa spam GOH and TC combo nyan.

 

Ang lakas lakas na ng sura ngayon with V.claw gusto nyo pa mas lalong palakasin. /swt

 

Ang atri ng g-fist satin ay ito:

1827,Krieger_Knuckle2,Glorious Fist,5,20,,0,140,,1,1,0x00008100,63,2,2,4,80,1,12,{ bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,85; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,85; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,20; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,20; bonus bUnbreakableWeapon,0; if(getrefine() > 10) { bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,5; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,5; } },{},{}
 

So

+85% to demi.

20% ignore def

Slaughter is (refine - 11) * (refine - 11)

Additonal 5% ignore def above +10

 

Wala nito ha:
Removes variable and fixed cast time of Asura Strike (Guillotine Fist).
When using Explosion Spirits (Fury), there is a chance to autocasting Level 1 Dangerous Soul Collect (Zen).

(removed satin ang effect na ito)

 

 

Imba ba? Sakin parang almost same effect lang sa Vclaw eh.

 

 

Based po sa test nila, Imba po ang g.fist para sa akin. Malaki ang damage difference ng Vclaw and Gfist since naka defense/resist items pa yung target. 

 

Based sa test, kahit naka resist items un target ay 133k Tiger cannon damage w/ shadow property. Bihira po ang jobs na lagpas ng 120k ang hp. 

 

Sura's are already too strong no kaya need for a stronger weapon. 

 

At nakakailang upgrade na po tayo ng weapon ng sura,

Dati ang weapon lang ng sura ay Combo Battle Glove[4]

Then, nagrequest ng mas malakas na Elemental fists[4]

Then, nagrequest ng mas malakas pa na V.Claw

Then, ngayon nagrerequest ulit ng mas malakas pa G.fist???

 

Habang tumatagal palakas ng palakas mga sura yung mga ibang jobs hindi na makahabol. 



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Kung talagang malakas ang mga sura currently, bakit hindi sila lagi No1PK champions? Since 2014, parang isang Sura palang ang nakita kong nag Champion...

 

Maliit lang naman ang difference sa TC based sa test ni Ban, Asura lang naman ang nag shine sa Gfist (check with high neutral resist and minimal neutral resist)

 

+1 on GFist. It is not imba. Let the Suras have their Glorious Weapon.


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Kung talagang malakas ang mga sura currently, bakit hindi sila lagi No1PK champions? Since 2014, parang isang Sura palang ang nakita kong nag Champion...

 

Maliit lang naman ang difference sa TC based sa test ni Ban, Asura lang naman ang nag shine sa Gfist (check with high neutral resist and minimal neutral resist)

 

+1 on GFist. It is not imba. Let the Suras have their Glorious Weapon.

 

 

Yung grineen ko na font, Lahat yan. Agree ako. /no1


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