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Sobrang imba. Kung ganyan ang damage difference no need na mag 2Val.Emblem kapag naka G.Fist pwedeng pwede na mag 2ER lang dahil sobrang lakas na ng damage ng G.fist. Kawawa lahat sa spam GOH and TC combo nyan.

 

Ang lakas lakas na ng sura ngayon with V.claw gusto nyo pa mas lalong palakasin. /swt

 

Ang atri ng g-fist satin ay ito:

1827,Krieger_Knuckle2,Glorious Fist,5,20,,0,140,,1,1,0x00008100,63,2,2,4,80,1,12,{ bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,85; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,85; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,20; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,20; bonus bUnbreakableWeapon,0; if(getrefine() > 10) { bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,5; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,5; } },{},{}
 

So

+85% to demi.

20% ignore def

Slaughter is (refine - 11) * (refine - 11)

Additonal 5% ignore def above +10

 

Wala nito ha:
Removes variable and fixed cast time of Asura Strike (Guillotine Fist).
When using Explosion Spirits (Fury), there is a chance to autocasting Level 1 Dangerous Soul Collect (Zen).

(removed satin ang effect na ito)

 

 

Imba ba? Sakin parang almost same effect lang sa Vclaw eh.

 

 

Based po sa test nila, Imba po ang g.fist para sa akin. Malaki ang damage difference ng Vclaw and Gfist since naka defense/resist items pa yung target. 

 

Based sa test, kahit naka resist items un target ay 133k Tiger cannon damage w/ shadow property. Bihira po ang jobs na lagpas ng 120k ang hp. 

 

Sura's are already too strong no kaya need for a stronger weapon. 

 

At nakakailang upgrade na po tayo ng weapon ng sura,

Dati ang weapon lang ng sura ay Combo Battle Glove[4]

Then, nagrequest ng mas malakas na Elemental fists[4]

Then, nagrequest ng mas malakas pa na V.Claw

Then, ngayon nagrerequest ulit ng mas malakas pa G.fist???

 

Habang tumatagal palakas ng palakas mga sura yung mga ibang jobs hindi na makahabol. 

 

Tinitignan ko ung snsbe ni Bis kc may point po eh.

Una halos lhat n ng npasok s PK is SURA, Gene, SC, at pailan ilang rk, warlock.

kung titignan d nmn sila nahuhuli s dmg or s equips dba?

so bakit tayo namamadali na i release ito?

kamusta b ibang glo weapon ito lang ba talga ang hindi na release?

or Vellum weapons?

How about Mechanic, Sorce, Minstrel, Wanderer, AB, RG?

parang nwawala n sila s circulation b4 may mga napasok p nyang mga class and even winning s PK pero now??

 

Kasi naiwanan narin sila sa mga equips ang dating kc ay hindi equal ung distribution or update nten s items para sa mga jobs.

Sa Immune shield lng eh parang favor sa sura at gene ntakot tyo humina sila ,

kaya sobrang tagal bgo n release at mediocre lng ang naging effect upon releasing.

Come to think of it guys, hmm cgro bka d lang ako Sura Fanatic or sura main. 

i dont see sura's being weak for them to have a new weapon.

just my piece of cake.  /flag
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"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

is similar to

"Suras are strong, don't give them Glorious Fist"

is similar to

"WL are strong, don't give them Vellum Arc Wand"

is similar to

"Imba na damage ng jobs ngaun, don't approve temporal boots"

is similar to

"Makunat na jobs ngaun, don't approve Aesperika's Resist increaase"

 

 

Ang nagiging benchmark nalang ninyo ay ang current set up.

Kapag mas masakit sa current, imba na.

Kapag mas mataas ang resist sa current, imba na.

Hindi ba pwedeng isipin natin na "improvement" sya?

 

Kung ganito attitude natin. I guarantee, wala ng marerelease na new items.

No new items = less interest sa old/new players.

 

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Kung talagang malakas ang mga sura currently, bakit hindi sila lagi No1PK champions? Since 2014, parang isang Sura palang ang nakita kong nag Champion...

 

Maliit lang naman ang difference sa TC based sa test ni Ban, Asura lang naman ang nag shine sa Gfist (check with high neutral resist and minimal neutral resist)

 

+1 on GFist. It is not imba. Let the Suras have their Glorious Weapon.

 

No1pk is not the basis kung malakas ang job o hindi. Malakas ang sura dahil ito ang job na highest damage dealer at fastest killer in game. Sura's are already strong that even with just NPC/SG gears they can already kill any fully-geared job.



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Kung talagang malakas ang mga sura currently, bakit hindi sila lagi No1PK champions? Since 2014, parang isang Sura palang ang nakita kong nag Champion...

 

Maliit lang naman ang difference sa TC based sa test ni Ban, Asura lang naman ang nag shine sa Gfist (check with high neutral resist and minimal neutral resist)

 

+1 on GFist. It is not imba. Let the Suras have their Glorious Weapon.

 

 

Yung grineen ko na font, Lahat yan. Agree ako. /no1

 

 

Siguro retest tayo. Pm me.

 

I will re-adjust the attributes of the G.Fist para hindi maging over-powering masyado. HIndi pwede masyado malakas ang tiger canon dahil hindi pwde ang walang nakakasalo. Maybe instead of 85% gawin nating 75%.



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Sobrang imba. Kung ganyan ang damage difference no need na mag 2Val.Emblem kapag naka G.Fist pwedeng pwede na mag 2ER lang dahil sobrang lakas na ng damage ng G.fist. Kawawa lahat sa spam GOH and TC combo nyan.

 

Ang lakas lakas na ng sura ngayon with V.claw gusto nyo pa mas lalong palakasin. /swt

 

Ang atri ng g-fist satin ay ito:

1827,Krieger_Knuckle2,Glorious Fist,5,20,,0,140,,1,1,0x00008100,63,2,2,4,80,1,12,{ bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,85; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,85; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,20; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,20; bonus bUnbreakableWeapon,0; if(getrefine() > 10) { bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Player,(getrefine()-11)*(getrefine()-11); bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_DemiHuman,5; bonus2 bIgnoreDefRaceRate,RC_Player,5; } },{},{}
 

So

+85% to demi.

20% ignore def

Slaughter is (refine - 11) * (refine - 11)

Additonal 5% ignore def above +10

 

Wala nito ha:
Removes variable and fixed cast time of Asura Strike (Guillotine Fist).
When using Explosion Spirits (Fury), there is a chance to autocasting Level 1 Dangerous Soul Collect (Zen).

(removed satin ang effect na ito)

 

 

Imba ba? Sakin parang almost same effect lang sa Vclaw eh.

 

 

Based po sa test nila, Imba po ang g.fist para sa akin. Malaki ang damage difference ng Vclaw and Gfist since naka defense/resist items pa yung target. 

 

Based sa test, kahit naka resist items un target ay 133k Tiger cannon damage w/ shadow property. Bihira po ang jobs na lagpas ng 120k ang hp. 

 

Sura's are already too strong no kaya need for a stronger weapon. 

 

At nakakailang upgrade na po tayo ng weapon ng sura,

Dati ang weapon lang ng sura ay Combo Battle Glove[4]

Then, nagrequest ng mas malakas na Elemental fists[4]

Then, nagrequest ng mas malakas pa na V.Claw

Then, ngayon nagrerequest ulit ng mas malakas pa G.fist???

 

Habang tumatagal palakas ng palakas mga sura yung mga ibang jobs hindi na makahabol. 

 

Tinitignan ko ung snsbe ni Bis kc may point po eh.

Una halos lhat n ng npasok s PK is SURA, Gene, SC, at pailan ilang rk, warlock.

kung titignan d nmn sila nahuhuli s dmg or s equips dba?

so bakit tayo namamadali na i release ito?

kamusta b ibang glo weapon ito lang ba talga ang hindi na release?

or Vellum weapons?

How about Mechanic, Sorce, Minstrel, Wanderer, AB, RG?

parang nwawala n sila s circulation b4 may mga napasok p nyang mga class and even winning s PK pero now??

 

Kasi naiwanan narin sila sa mga equips ang dating kc ay hindi equal ung distribution or update nten s items para sa mga jobs.

Sa Immune shield lng eh parang favor sa sura at gene ntakot tyo humina sila ,

kaya sobrang tagal bgo n release at mediocre lng ang naging effect upon releasing.

Come to think of it guys, hmm cgro bka d lang ako Sura Fanatic or sura main. 

i dont see sura's being weak for them to have a new weapon.

just my piece of cake.  /flag
  /e29  /e33 
 

 

 

Well we can release other weapons for others jobs too. Its just that hindi kayo nag rerequest, at para sa sura ang current request. Actually last year pa itong gfist naka pending.

 

Please make a separate topic if you want to request other weapons for other jobs.



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Kung talagang malakas ang mga sura currently, bakit hindi sila lagi No1PK champions? Since 2014, parang isang Sura palang ang nakita kong nag Champion...

 

Maliit lang naman ang difference sa TC based sa test ni Ban, Asura lang naman ang nag shine sa Gfist (check with high neutral resist and minimal neutral resist)

 

+1 on GFist. It is not imba. Let the Suras have their Glorious Weapon.

 

 

Yung grineen ko na font, Lahat yan. Agree ako. /no1

 

 

Siguro retest tayo. Pm me.

 

I will re-adjust the attributes of the G.Fist para hindi maging over-powering masyado. HIndi pwede masyado malakas ang tiger canon dahil hindi pwde ang walang nakakasalo. Maybe instead of 85% gawin nating 75%.

 

 

 

I guess admin, ang maganda dito. Imbis na bawasan yang given attrib, How bout a Cap to Slaughter?


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As discussed before, we are planning to release the Glorious Fist as an additional weapon for Sura Enthusiasts.

 

GLORIOUS FIST [1] (GFist) - 85% increase damage to demi-human ; Slaughter Level 1 ; 140 Attack

 

 

Bakit ginawang 140 attack? Dapat 30 attack lang ang glorious fist like in official. Tapos dapat no slot ito dahil Sura's ang fastest and highest damage dealers in game.



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As discussed before, we are planning to release the Glorious Fist as an additional weapon for Sura Enthusiasts.

 

GLORIOUS FIST [1] (GFist) - 85% increase damage to demi-human ; Slaughter Level 1 ; 140 Attack

 

 

Bakit ginawang 140 attack? Dapat 30 attack lang ang glorious fist like in official. Tapos dapat no slot ito dahil Sura's ang fastest and highest damage dealers in game.

 

 

Bat naman ang ibang glorious weapon, May slot. At hindi din same ang attack ng glorious weapons natin compare sa official.

Example, with Glorious Flam/MS/BR.

 

Cross Impact masakit, Crush strike masakit, Sonic blow masakit, Storm blast masakit. Diba ansasakit nila pero anjan sya in game, One time nga nakita ko pumatak ng 999999 (crit) ung Crush Strike e. Mantakin mo yon? Tapos eto pa unting pag kukumpara lang.

 

For instance Sura vs RK,

Madalang ako makakita ng Full Geared sura vs Full Geared RK na kaya 1 hittin ng combo(dragon combo+fallen empire+tigercannon) ng sura yung rk. Pero madalas ako maka kita ng 1 HIT na sura using Crush Strike ng RK.


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As discussed before, we are planning to release the Glorious Fist as an additional weapon for Sura Enthusiasts.

 

GLORIOUS FIST [1] (GFist) - 85% increase damage to demi-human ; Slaughter Level 1 ; 140 Attack

 

 

Bakit ginawang 140 attack? Dapat 30 attack lang ang glorious fist like in official. Tapos dapat no slot ito dahil Sura's ang fastest and highest damage dealers in game.

 

 

INadjust talaga yan and increased than official para sumabay sa V.Claw during the time we first tested. Huwag na natin ipasok ang usapin ng official effect dito dahil talagang inadjust ito para hindi useless pag nilabas.



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favor nmn ako s new items. 

sgro tgnan nlng ung nxt retest niyo.

ung d nmn sobra laki ng difference with Vclaw.

kc kugn ttgnan ung test parang full ressit na 100+k pdn ang dmg.

Sana may video para mas mkita. hehehe


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There had been quite a few replies here that has already done the testing. Not one of them disagreed on releasing this way too long overdue item for suras.

Don't get me wrong and if you do, it'll be too far fetched. I have no interest in this at all, because for 1; I'm inactive, 2; I barely use sura and last but not the least, 3; this has been under going testing, changes, edits etc for such a long time. It's about time we (the dev team and of course admin) do something with it and arrive with a verdict. 

 

FYI(for new readers)

When we tested this, admin handed us 2 separate weapons (vellum and gfist) both with the same refine attribute (+16) and both with the same card. Tested with Thana and Inca.

The damage difference didn't vary that much ranging in between 5-10k, which is normal and obvious since Gfist has the bonus effect of slaughter.

To those that say, a 17 vellum and a 17 gfist has a vast difference in damage, you're wrong. Vellum Claw is still a viable option for a weapon and it doesn't just deal "decent" damage. It gives you what you what you aim for when going for a kill. I have 2 friends who have this @ +18 and it does not disappoint.

 

More over, we're going back again to that refining issue. Everyone who will invest on obtaining such peak refines (17 & 18), will almost always spend too much for it. And not to mention, it is not easy and not everyone has the means to have it. There will be lots of upgrades on gears in the coming future, I'm not saying that suras are lagging behind all of the changes, but it's about time that they have their fair share on glorious weapons. MyRO's been running for 10yrs. Trans pa lang, hinahanapan na ng weapon ang monk class because they're the only one's left behind in the glorious artillery. They're the only ones who are yet to have this kind of weaponry in their arsenal. I agree, they're still a formidable job, but that's beside the point because our aim here, is to have a variety of weapons for everyone, the tests that had been conducted is a way to determine if it will impose an off-the chart results in game play, which it didn't (admin was there to see it btw). Suras have compensated for far too long and imo, way too much. It's about time we give them this.

 

Overall, I encourage those who disagree to see it for themselves and not just vary their opinions with other's replies. You're free to check it for your own satisfaction. But I guarantee that it does not disappoint in one way or the other.

 

Cheers.

 

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There had been quite a few replies here that has already done the testing. Not one of them disagreed on releasing this way too long overdue item for suras.

Don't get me wrong and if you do, it'll be too far fetched. I have no interest in this at all, because for 1; I'm inactive, 2; I barely use sura and last but not the least, 3; this has been under going testing, changes, edits etc for such a long time. It's about time we (the dev team and of course admin) do something with it and arrive with a verdict. 

 

FYI(for new readers)

When we tested this, admin handed us 2 separate weapons (vellum and gfist) both with the same refine attribute (+16) and both with the same card. Tested with Thana and Inca.

The damage difference didn't vary that much ranging in between 5-10k, which is normal and obvious since Gfist has the bonus effect of slaughter.

To those that say, a 17 vellum and a 17 gfist has a vast difference in damage, you're wrong. Vellum Claw is still a viable option for a weapon and it doesn't just deal "decent" damage. It gives you what you what you aim for when going for a kill. I have 2 friends who have this @ +18 and it does not disappoint.

 

More over, we're going back again to that refining issue. Everyone who will invest on obtaining such peak refines (17 & 18), will almost always spend too much for it. And not to mention, it is not easy and not everyone has the means to have it. There will be lots of upgrades on gears in the coming future, I'm not saying that suras are lagging behind all of the changes, but it's about time that they have their fair share on glorious weapons. MyRO's been running for 10yrs. Trans pa lang, hinahanapan na ng weapon ang monk class because they're the only one's left behind in the glorious artillery. They're the only ones who are yet to have this kind of weaponry in their arsenal. I agree, they're still a formidable job, but that's beside the point because our aim here, is to have a variety of weapons for everyone, the tests that had been conducted is a way to determine if it will impose an off-the chart results in game play, which it didn't (admin was there to see it btw). Suras have compensated for far too long and imo, way too much. It's about time we give them this.

 

Overall, I encourage those who disagree to see it for themselves and not just vary their opinions with other's replies. You're free to check it for your own satisfaction. But I guarantee that it does not disappoint in one way or the other.

 

Cheers.

 

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Those who are not in favor with the release of the item, I will allow you to test it in game. Pm me. Maybe an actual test may change your mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As discussed before, we are planning to release the Glorious Fist as an additional weapon for Sura Enthusiasts.

 

GLORIOUS FIST [1] (GFist) - 85% increase damage to demi-human ; Slaughter Level 1 ; 140 Attack

 

 

Bakit ginawang 140 attack? Dapat 30 attack lang ang glorious fist like in official. Tapos dapat no slot ito dahil Sura's ang fastest and highest damage dealers in game.

 

 

Kung tingin mo ay masyado na malakas ang sura, tapos dadagdag pa ang Glorious Fist na ito ay ito ang masasabi ko. Hindi malaki ang difference ng Gfist kesa sa Vclaw. We know because we tested it. Gusto lang natin may variance ang players sa pag pili ng kanilang weapon. Let's face it ang suras ang most popular job ng ragnarok na kung saan ay pinaka madami ang users. Let us not also forget the fact na ang sruas ay ginawa talagang KILLERS kayat natural na silang malakas with or without these weapons.

 

Second, sabi mo ay hindi na masalo ang damage ng suras. Maybe ang pinag uusapan sa kabilang topic about sa AESPRIKA na gagawin -30% damage from elements (including neutral) ay maaaring maging solution dito. So implement GFIST as well as -30% AESPRIKA. http://myroforums.co...-defence/page-5


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Patest po ako +18G.Fist & +18V.Claw. Ipapakita ko po kung bakit imba ito :)

 

Currently, wala pa po tayong G.Fist 1hit na ng tiger cannon combo halos lahat ng sura using +14V.Claw. Kung hindi naman 1hit sobrang kati naman ng spamable GOH.

 

Kahit hindi ko pa po natetest yan, kitang kita na po natin doon sa nagtest ng +17G.fist ay 133k ang damage ng Tiger Cannon w/ Shadow Element and yung target ay naka decent Demi-Human resist and 45% shadow property resist. What more kung +18 and +19 pa yan. And take note Area of Effect po ang Tiger Cannon kaya talagang OP ito. Sobrang kawawa yung mga jobs with small hp pool. And lalong cocorny ang gameplay ng Sura. Talagang 1hit gaming na lahat.


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Patest po ako +18G.Fist & +18V.Claw. Ipapakita ko po kung bakit imba ito :)

 

Currently, wala pa po tayong G.Fist 1hit na ng tiger cannon combo halos lahat ng sura using +14V.Claw. Kung hindi naman 1hit sobrang kati naman ng spamable GOH.

 

Kahit hindi ko pa po natetest yan, kitang kita na po natin doon sa nagtest ng +17G.fist ay 133k ang damage ng Tiger Cannon w/ Shadow Element and yung target ay naka decent Demi-Human resist and 45% shadow property resist. What more kung +18 and +19 pa yan. And take note Area of Effect po ang Tiger Cannon kaya talagang OP ito. Sobrang kawawa yung mga jobs with small hp pool. And lalong cocorny ang gameplay ng Sura. Talagang 1hit gaming na lahat.

 

Pm me in game papahiramin kita for 30 mins to test and kindly post results here.


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baka nmn po mauso ung skynet blow type sa woe sa sobrang lakas nito..

Parang rolling cutter na naka shield..haha.. pa test nadin ng skynet blow type baka

masakit din damage.maxado tayong naka focus sa TC,Asura at GOH where in fact eh

puro single target nmn and when it comes to TC may cooldown pa sya.

I just dunno. pero BAKA lng! masakit ang dmg ng Skynet blow with Glorious FIST.

3 hits po sya so basically if mapaabot eto ng around 20k dmg per cast..Baka Imba ang kalabasan.


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baka nmn po mauso ung skynet blow type sa woe sa sobrang lakas nito..

Parang rolling cutter na naka shield..haha.. pa test nadin ng skynet blow type baka

masakit din damage.maxado tayong naka focus sa TC,Asura at GOH where in fact eh

puro single target nmn and when it comes to TC may cooldown pa sya.

I just dunno. pero BAKA lng! masakit ang dmg ng Skynet blow with Glorious FIST.

3 hits po sya so basically if mapaabot eto ng around 20k dmg per cast..Baka Imba ang kalabasan.

 

Ayun isa pa pala yang Skynet blow na masakit na skill. 


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Well as compared sa Cross impact. malambot nmn Gx kasi walang shield. Ung CS may 40 secs cooldown.Same goes to sonic blow na malambot na walang shield..Eh sura? with shield? with reloc? with pnuema? with crescent elbow..tapos ngaun Spam Skynetblow tapos High damage din.

 

-1 po sa Glorious Fist  =(


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Ken

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Also, hindi naman ganon kadami ang AOE ng Sura. Mas masakit pa nga yung Arrow Storm ng Ranger kasi AOE tapos super long-ranged pa, di na nya kailangang lumapit. Given na na malakas yung AS sa +18/+19 GHB, given din na malakas ang GFist sa +18/19. Ganon din ang Storm Blast ng RK na AOE na given na malakas ito sa +18/+19 GMS/GF. Glorious weapon kasi, kaya malakas talaga.

 

Hindi ba imba yung sa RK kasi ang taas ng HP, makunat, may Millenium Shield tapos masakit ang SB na walang delay?

 

Hindi ba imba yung Ranger kasi long range, then AOE then madaming elements na pwedeng ibato?

 

Ganon talaga sa Ragnarok. Bawat jobs, may kanya kanyang advantages at disadvantages.

 

Again, Glorious weapon kasi, kaya malakas talaga habang tumataaas ang refinement.


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Arrowstorm= Estimated damage of 50k each times 3

Arrowstorm- 150k damage

Arrowstorm= in 5 secs around 300k damage since may 4 seconds delay

Arrowstorm=Malambot ranger dahil walang shield and at the same time kapag nakapaghide na ang kalaban eh makakapots na 2.

 

StormBlast= Estimated Damage of 90k 

StormBlast=20 pcs Runes capacity lang..

Stormblast=1.8m million damage pero after that wala na.

 

 

SkynetBlow= Estimated damage of 20k total dmg.

SkynetBlow= Spammable of 7 times per second

SkynetBlow=Can damage 140k per second.

SkynetBlow= Yggberry with cooldown of 1 sec.

SkynetBlow= Can be used using Shield

SkynetBlow= Can be used under the effect of Pnuema

SkynetBlow= Can be used in combination of Windmill

SkynetBlow=Can be used in combination of TC

SkynetBlow= 5cells

SkynetBlow=can Flinch.

SkynetBlow= Parang Rolling Cutter at Meteor Assault 

SkynetBlow= Reject sword cant be applied.

SkynetBlow=Can be used with ruwach that can flinch and disable Shadow form

SkynetBlow=What if merong 2 suras at entrance..I wonder..!!!.

 

 

=) Pahiram +18Gfist..try natin..haha






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