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Suggest ko po itong new items ng Minstrel and Wanderer dahil hindi na po sila gaanong napapansin. Wala na rin akong nakikitang PvP type na Minstrel and wanderer so I think maganda itong items na ito para naman ganahan yung mga minstrel and wanderers mag PvP hindi lang puro support ang ginagawa nila. :)

 

Sound Amplification Device for Metallic Sound Build

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Oz's New Combo for Arrow Vulcan Build

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+1 dyan para my palag namn minstrel sa pvp.. give some jobs a chance to penetrate in pvp..dont left them behind



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-1 para dyan sa mga items na yan, maxadong imba yan for minstrel and wanderer. my latest metalic sound was around 56k each with full buffs how much more if merong ganyan.Now although na rereflect ang skill nito, ang gagawin lng ng minstrel is to equip items that resist neutral damage,100% resist since neutral  magic ang attack na ito. Magiging imba mga minstrel knowing na meron tayong kakaimplement lang na immune shield so hindi maxado need mag deviling.

FYI. Ang reflect behavior sa myro  ay kung anung ibinato mong magic un ang babalik sayo.For example nag cast ka jupitel thunder sa kalaban,kapag naka wind armor ka mahina damage pero kapag naka water armor ka malakas damage, 

 

Good set for this kind of build is:

SBH- 10% neutral resist

Tunic- 20% neutral resist

Immune +silf= 33%

Immune shield+tatacho=32%

Total of=95% neutral resist.

 

Daig pa nito Cross impact ng Sin X. Tapos range pa.. 

No to these items.

Tapos 50% decrease variable cast time. So kahit 2 lang nito no cast na.

Tapos may pang hold pa sila.Tapos support pa. tapos may frost pa.

Kawawa mga breakers nito sa woe kapag nag Bwing ung minstrel tapos return to castle

habol ung breaker kahit nasa emp na sya..

Never I have heard na mag susuot ng maya card ang isang breaker as Switch item nya.

Then if found na naka GTB or Maya Card ang Kalaban. Saka mo wasakin ng Arrow Vulcan..

TSK.

But then again. Its up to you guys.



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alam ko may nag test na nito before eh , hindi ko lang alam ngyari bakit bigla natigil ung discussion about sa sound amplfication . 



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-1 imba yan hahahaha no need for explanation lalo n s sound ampli 50% decrease VCT npkalaking bagay  /gawi



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@Witty: Hindi ko gets yung neutral magic. Kulang pa ata sa experiments. I think mine was around 100+k each before, nung full set pa, pero one hit ng anything hahaha.

 

HIndi pala ako nakapagfull buffs dito. BOD, etc.

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Discussion about Sound Amplification can be seen here.

 

 

I also tried AV build. +15GG lang and medyo petty yung damage kahit hitter equips. So sobrang petty pinamimigay na lang halos ito.  /e16  Kaya mas pinili ko MS type. Pero may naka +18GG daw dati, decent damage. Decent, hindi imba.


Edited by Ken, 04 December 2017 - 10:37 PM.


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Emits a loud, high pitched sound to a single target to inflict Neutral property magic damage and drain some of its SP. Sleeping and deeply sleeping targets will take 150% of the damage. The damage of this skill is greatly affected by Voice Lessons.

 

ahaha..Imba yan.

-1 ulit.haha

yan neutral.

npc lng wep ko nun.. kasi d nmn ako fan ng metalic sound. un ung point ko. npc experiment lng un pero umabot ng 60k each..haha



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Emits a loud, high pitched sound to a single target to inflict Neutral property magic damage and drain some of its SP. Sleeping and deeply sleeping targets will take 150% of the damage. The damage of this skill is greatly affected by Voice Lessons.

 

ahaha..Imba yan.

-1 ulit.haha

yan neutral.

npc lng wep ko nun.. kasi d nmn ako fan ng metalic sound. un ung point ko. npc experiment lng un pero umabot ng 60k each..haha

 

Ahhh I see, dun pala nakalagay.  /no1

 

NPC lang din wep ko, nakuha ko lang sa pront 200m ata.


Edited by Ken, 04 December 2017 - 11:10 PM.


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Good set for this kind of build is:

SBH- 10% neutral resist

Tunic- 20% neutral resist

Immune +silf= 33%

Immune shield+tatacho=32%

Total of=95% neutral resist.

 

SBH 0.9
Tunic 0.8
Raydric 0.8
Silf 0.87

Tatacho 0.8
Immune Shield 0.88

Total = 64.721152% Neutral resist


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Good set for this kind of build is:

SBH- 10% neutral resist

Tunic- 20% neutral resist

Immune +silf= 33%

Immune shield+tatacho=32%

Total of=95% neutral resist.

 

SBH 0.9
Tunic 0.8
Raydric 0.8
Silf 0.87

Tatacho 0.8
Immune Shield 0.88

Total = 64.721152% Neutral resist

 

 

Additive sa MyRO not multiplicative.



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Hindi ba madali lang ito kontrahin dahil forced neutral and magic siya? Parang Acid Demo lang ito na magic na kapag hindi ka naka reduce neutral ay malaki ang damage sayo. And kaya rin ata ito makontra ng GTB or CSD since magic damage siya.



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Hindi ba madali lang ito kontrahin dahil forced neutral and magic siya? Parang Acid Demo lang ito na magic na kapag hindi ka naka reduce neutral ay malaki ang damage sayo. And kaya rin ata ito makontra ng GTB or CSD since magic damage siya.

 

Idk. Although Mins enthusiast ako and gusto ko yung item na to, so far content ako sa lakas ng MS ngayon. Mas tingin ko nga dapat palakasin is AV. Pero ibang topic na yun.



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Good set for this kind of build is:

SBH- 10% neutral resist

Tunic- 20% neutral resist

Immune +silf= 33%

Immune shield+tatacho=32%

Total of=95% neutral resist.

 

SBH 0.9
Tunic 0.8
Raydric 0.8
Silf 0.87

Tatacho 0.8
Immune Shield 0.88

Total = 64.721152% Neutral resist

 

 

Additive sa MyRO not multiplicative.

 

 

So pag naka Deviling Card 0-Dmg(Miss) receive na? kc Neutral ang atk na yun if additive. Na try nyo naba? oh merong Cap ang resist?


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+16 ROL = 6%

Tunic = 20%

Tatacho = 20%

Backpack = 5%

Devi = 50%

 

Total = 101%

 

Damage = 1

 

MS Neutral Resist.png

 

Kapag 100% or more element resist ngayon, hindi na miss kundi 1 damage na lang.


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+16 ROL = 6%

Tunic = 20%

Tatacho = 20%

Backpack = 5%

Devi = 50%

 

Total = 101%

 

Damage = 1

 

attachicon.gifMS Neutral Resist.png

 

Kapag 100% or more element resist ngayon, hindi na miss kundi 1 damage na lang.

Thanks ^_^


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Hindi ba madali lang ito kontrahin dahil forced neutral and magic siya? Parang Acid Demo lang ito na magic na kapag hindi ka naka reduce neutral ay malaki ang damage sayo. And kaya rin ata ito makontra ng GTB or CSD since magic damage siya.

 

Well every skill madaling kontrahin kapag alam mo kung anong skill gagamtin sau.

Like sa Dragon breath use fire armor.

Like sa Jackfrost wear water armor.

The point is pag clash. d ka naman mag seset ng 100% neutral. Usually CSD+immune ang anti neutral kapag woe.so thats only 52% reduction.

We are talking about 300% more damage!! sa current setup natin so meron ka pang around 248% more damage na dapat maresist.

 

Dun sa test ni Ken. npc item pa un. 100k each almost times 4

so thats 400k.

ngaun i boost mo ng 300% more damage..

edi 400k X 3 which is equal to1.2m Npc weapon pa nun.

ang 50% ng 1.2m is 600k

reduce it to 75% so thats around 350k damage padin.

eh try natin 90% meron padin 120k damage..

Take note..Accdng kay Ken Npc item lng un.

And take note 1 skill pa lang un. pede ka maka 2 metalic sound in 1 sec.

Wala pa lex Aeterna sa kalaban yan ah.

Wala pang buffs ng distorted

Wala pang buffs ng Odins

Wala pang Mind breaker yan.

Goodluck sa sasalo.

 

-1 sa items.



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Usually CSD+immune ang anti neutral kapag woe.so thats only 52% reduction.

We are talking about 300% more damage!! sa current setup natin so meron ka pang around 248% more damage na dapat maresist.

 

 

Natuwa naman ako sa computation mo /swt /swt Ang resist ay reduction sa overall damage so meaning 52% ng 300% ay 156% /swt /swt



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Usually CSD+immune ang anti neutral kapag woe.so thats only 52% reduction.

We are talking about 300% more damage!! sa current setup natin so meron ka pang around 248% more damage na dapat maresist.

 

 

Natuwa naman ako sa computation mo /swt /swt Ang resist ay reduction sa overall damage so meaning 52% ng 300% ay 156% /swt /swt

 

 

May sinabi ba akong 248% ng TOTAL overall damage ang dapat mo pang i resist.

Parang wala naman po.

Ang sabi ko thats 300% more damage.

so kung ung tinutukoy natin 300% more damage ay 800k

and if damage is reset to zero at additional damage lng ang mag tatake effect.

xempre ang 52% ng 800k ay 416,000

It is obvious na 48% reduction n lng ang need mo para ma block ung remaining 384,000 damage

since ang 48% ng 800k is 384,000 damage

 

Let 300%=800k

Let 52%= 416,000

Let 248%=384,000

May pattern yan paki tingin n lng.

Ginawan ko lng ng sentence ung computation ko pero  hindi ko lang na explain ng maayos ,if u will look closer dun sa baba after ng sentence, nirereduce ko naman sa total Damage ang reduction.

 

Pero I just dunno san nanggaling ung 52% ng 300% ay 156%

Never I have heard na u multiply a percent to a percent.

So that must be percent squared.

Unless there is a corresponding value sa 300%

 

But I understand you, U simply made a sentence hindi nga lang na explained ng maayos.

U just judged my post the way I am judging now ur post.

 

 

But then again coming from ur post, despite the fact na I dont know the corresponding value ng 156% mo.

Mataas padin ang (300% minus 156%) of damage bale 144% damage pa.

whereas I hope correct ung 144% na sinasabi mo  which is 48% reduction required  pa para maging zero ung damage given na meron ka ng 52% reduction.

 

so -1. HAHA.. I rest my case sa computation.sumakit ulo ko.Sorry for I have wronged.

Parang nagiging trend dito sa forum na maxadong pinapansin yung sentence at computation, nawawala na tayo sa topic.Wag daw pairalin ang damdamin.. 2018 na..hahahahaha..



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Usually CSD+immune ang anti neutral kapag woe.so thats only 52% reduction.

We are talking about 300% more damage!! sa current setup natin so meron ka pang around 248% more damage na dapat maresist.

 

 

Natuwa naman ako sa computation mo /swt /swt Ang resist ay reduction sa overall damage so meaning 52% ng 300% ay 156% /swt /swt

 

 

May sinabi ba akong 248% ng TOTAL overall damage ang dapat mo pang i resist.

Parang wala naman po.

Ang sabi ko thats 300% more damage.

so kung ung tinutukoy natin 300% more damage ay 800k

and if damage is reset to zero at additional damage lng ang mag tatake effect.

xempre ang 52% ng 800k ay 416,000

It is obvious na 48% reduction n lng ang need mo para ma block ung remaining 384,000 damage

since ang 48% ng 800k is 384,000 damage

 

Let 300%=800k

Let 52%= 416,000

Let 248%=384,000

May pattern yan paki tingin n lng.

Ginawan ko lng ng sentence ung computation ko pero  hindi ko lang na explain ng maayos ,if u will look closer dun sa baba after ng sentence, nirereduce ko naman sa total Damage ang reduction.

 

Pero I just dunno san nanggaling ung 52% ng 300% ay 156%

Never I have heard na u multiply a percent to a percent.

So that must be percent squared.

Unless there is a corresponding value sa 300%

 

But I understand you, U simply made a sentence hindi nga lang na explained ng maayos.

U just judged my post the way I am judging now ur post.

 

 

But then again coming from ur post, despite the fact na I dont know the corresponding value ng 156% mo.

Mataas padin ang (300% minus 156%) of damage bale 144% damage pa.

whereas I hope correct ung 144% na sinasabi mo  which is 48% reduction required  pa para maging zero ung damage given na meron ka ng 52% reduction.

 

so -1. HAHA.. I rest my case sa computation.sumakit ulo ko.Sorry for I have wronged.

Parang nagiging trend dito sa forum na maxadong pinapansin yung sentence at computation, nawawala na tayo sa topic.Wag daw pairalin ang damdamin.. 2018 na..hahahahaha..

 

 

Ang ginawa mo kasi ay binawas mo yung 52% resist doon sa 300% kaya naging 248% which is wrong. So kung ang asura ay may 1000% damage then may 52% resist ka ay may 948% ka palang dapat iresist??  /swt3  /swt3  /swt3  /swt3

 

Ganito po ang pagcompute ng damage

Damage x (race reduction percentage) x (element percentage reduction) x (other percentage reduction ) = Net damage /no1



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Usually CSD+immune ang anti neutral kapag woe.so thats only 52% reduction.

We are talking about 300% more damage!! sa current setup natin so meron ka pang around 248% more damage na dapat maresist.

 

 

Natuwa naman ako sa computation mo /swt /swt Ang resist ay reduction sa overall damage so meaning 52% ng 300% ay 156% /swt /swt

 

 

May sinabi ba akong 248% ng TOTAL overall damage ang dapat mo pang i resist.

Parang wala naman po.

Ang sabi ko thats 300% more damage.

so kung ung tinutukoy natin 300% more damage ay 800k

and if damage is reset to zero at additional damage lng ang mag tatake effect.

xempre ang 52% ng 800k ay 416,000

It is obvious na 48% reduction n lng ang need mo para ma block ung remaining 384,000 damage

since ang 48% ng 800k is 384,000 damage

 

Let 300%=800k

Let 52%= 416,000

Let 248%=384,000

May pattern yan paki tingin n lng.

Ginawan ko lng ng sentence ung computation ko pero  hindi ko lang na explain ng maayos ,if u will look closer dun sa baba after ng sentence, nirereduce ko naman sa total Damage ang reduction.

 

Pero I just dunno san nanggaling ung 52% ng 300% ay 156%

Never I have heard na u multiply a percent to a percent.

So that must be percent squared.

Unless there is a corresponding value sa 300%

 

But I understand you, U simply made a sentence hindi nga lang na explained ng maayos.

U just judged my post the way I am judging now ur post.

 

 

But then again coming from ur post, despite the fact na I dont know the corresponding value ng 156% mo.

Mataas padin ang (300% minus 156%) of damage bale 144% damage pa.

whereas I hope correct ung 144% na sinasabi mo  which is 48% reduction required  pa para maging zero ung damage given na meron ka ng 52% reduction.

 

so -1. HAHA.. I rest my case sa computation.sumakit ulo ko.Sorry for I have wronged.

Parang nagiging trend dito sa forum na maxadong pinapansin yung sentence at computation, nawawala na tayo sa topic.Wag daw pairalin ang damdamin.. 2018 na..hahahahaha..

 

 

Ang ginawa mo kasi ay binawas mo yung 52% resist doon sa 300% kaya naging 248% which is wrong. So kung ang asura ay may 1000% damage then may 52% resist ka ay may 948% ka palang dapat iresist??  /swt3  /swt3  /swt3  /swt3

 

Ganito po ang pagcompute ng damage

Damage x (race reduction percentage) x (element percentage reduction) x (other percentage reduction ) = Net damage /no1

 

 

haha nag explain na ako sir. if di ka kuntento sa sagot ko.. not my problem anymore.

alam ko po ung gusto mo sabihin U just misunderstood or u were just too busy commenting sa sentence ko.

 

hindi mo pa nga napapaliwanag ung 52% ng 300% is 156%

 

SO what kung 52% ng 300% is 156%?

Kulang din naman paliwanag mo. Yang formulang sinabi mo is applicable sa TOTAL damage. eh wala naman akong binanggit na total damage sa 300%-52%=248%. Fine, I was wrong for thinking na akala ko na gets mo.Let us say it was X-Y=Z with different values.

It was a short explanation na I thought nobody would complain.

we both know what we are talking sa reduction pero if u insist na i'm ignorant sa sinasabi ko, wala akong magagawa.

 

ur 52% of 300% is156% has lesser thoughts and has lesser meaning.

Nag example ka pa na if 1000% damage at meron kang 52% resist, dapat meron kang 948% na dapat i resist.

Kinalhati mo na nga ung 1000% damage meron pang 948%. Yun ung pinuputok ng buchi mo.

Tama?

What I was talking about dun sa 248% damage although nag paliwanag na ako na meron values ung mga percentage na un.

It was the easiest way to exaggerate and to let the readers get my point na Imbalance yung item since I have to convice them.

 

How I wish they could understand ur Damage x (race reduction percentage) x (element percentage reduction) x (other percentage reduction ) = Net damage






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